Conversation With … Jim Self and Barbara Hand Clow 2013



An outstanding discussion of the upcoming energies


November 2013

We are moving into very intense times … yes, more so than we have known thus far!  Jim and Barbara offer suggestions for dealing with this intensity.

NOTE BY NANCY:  I would add to their suggestions:  Do not attempt to pretend nothing is happening!

Our planet and the entire cosmos is undergoing a leap forward in our evolutionary process.  The old methods will no longer work … old beliefs will no longer be meaningful.

Christians—as contrasted to those who have had little to no religious training—may have a more difficult time moving forward into the New Age because Christianity is largely based on ideology, rather than the teachings of Jesus.  It is for this reason that I perceive Pope Francis is a gift to the two billion Catholics on our planet!


He is overshadowed by St. Francis of Assisi (i.e. Ascended Master Kuthumi) and following St. Francis’ instructions for reform and transformation.  Recently, Pope Francis freed all Christians from the illness that ideology has caused throughout the last 2000 yrs. by telling them:

“And when a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, he has lost the faith: he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, he is a disciple of this attitude of thought… For this reason Jesus said to them: ‘You have taken away the key of knowledge.’ The knowledge of Jesus is transformed into an ideological and also moralistic knowledge, because these close the door with many requirements…”

Francis added. “But it is a serious illness, this of ideological Christians. It is an illness, but it is not new, eh?”

He said Christian ideology was the result of a lack of true prayer.  (End of Pope Francis quotes)

As disciples of Jesus, we listen to and follow his teachings.  In preparation for the tremendous changes now in process, I think Pope Francis was encouraging Christians to be open … follow Jesus’ teachings:  “Ask, and you shall receive; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened for you.”  (Matthew 7:7)

We are all multi-dimensional beings.   Earth is now anchored in the 5th dimension; most of Earth’s inhabitants are moving through the last vestiges of the 3rd dimensional plane of duality, while we learn to live from the heart … to love one another on the 4th dimension.  4th dimenison’s major lesson is LOVE.

Note that Pope Francis uses the word disciple to describe Christians.  Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines disciple“someone who accepts and helps to spread the teachings of a famous person … one of a group of 12 men who were sent out to spread the teachings of Jesus Christ.”

No mention of worship Jesus.

Yet many Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, worship Jesus, even though Jesus never asked his disciples to worship him.  Instead, he taught:  “The one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these….” (John13:12)  We cannot grow spiritually to the point of doing the works of Jesus when we simply worship him.

During the years between approximately age 12 to age 30, Jesus traveled extensively, seeking Truth wherever he went—in Egypt, Great Britain, India, and the Essene Communities.  During his ministry, he rebuked the religious leaders because they had become ideologically sick.  Jesus deliberately disobeyed the laws of the religion of his day.  Instead, he lived from his heart and delivered a message of love.

In this New Age, we are to learn to live from the heart … Christians are to be a disciple of Jesus and follow his example of seeking Truth, rather than allowing religious ideology to rule their lives—thereby, hampering their spiritual entrance into the New Age of Love.

We can best deal with the intense energies by flowing with them into a glorious New Age of Love, Peace, & Abundance for All!  As humanity moves increasingly onto the 4th dimension, suffering and deprivation will end.  We will learn, instead, to “Love One Another” and planet Earth!